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		By: Jonice Webb PhD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonice Webb PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://drjonicewebb.com/why-dont-therapists-talk-more-about-emotional-neglect/comment-page-1/#comment-5173&quot;&gt;Tom of Finland&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Tom of Finland. I am not trying to call attention to what most good therapists primarily focus on: what happened to their clients in childhood, like trauma and abuse. I&#039;m trying to get therapists to pay more attention to the vital thing that failed to happen for the child: enough emotional responsiveness. It&#039;s not that it&#039;s a brand new concept; it&#039;s that it gets overlooked far too often. Calling it CEN is a way to give this under-addressed, yet damaging experience a common name that we can all use to finally talk about it clearly with our clients and each other. All the best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://drjonicewebb.com/why-dont-therapists-talk-more-about-emotional-neglect/comment-page-1/#comment-5173">Tom of Finland</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Tom of Finland. I am not trying to call attention to what most good therapists primarily focus on: what happened to their clients in childhood, like trauma and abuse. I&#8217;m trying to get therapists to pay more attention to the vital thing that failed to happen for the child: enough emotional responsiveness. It&#8217;s not that it&#8217;s a brand new concept; it&#8217;s that it gets overlooked far too often. Calling it CEN is a way to give this under-addressed, yet damaging experience a common name that we can all use to finally talk about it clearly with our clients and each other. All the best.</p>
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		By: Tom of Finland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom of Finland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi dr,

I read your book Running on empty with great interest since this issue has touched my life also. I&#039;ve gone through a 3 year therapy. However, i&#039;m a bit baffled by this question: this concept of yours, CEN, isn&#039;t it just a new label for the thing that is the basic insight of psychology: how your parents &#038; upbringing affect you and your relationship to your emotions? We talked about exactly these issues during my therapy, we just didn&#039;t call it CEN.

So, instead of it being a new insight, isn&#039;t it just a new label? And I dont mean to belittle your work, as i said I read your book with great interest!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dr,</p>
<p>I read your book Running on empty with great interest since this issue has touched my life also. I&#8217;ve gone through a 3 year therapy. However, i&#8217;m a bit baffled by this question: this concept of yours, CEN, isn&#8217;t it just a new label for the thing that is the basic insight of psychology: how your parents &amp; upbringing affect you and your relationship to your emotions? We talked about exactly these issues during my therapy, we just didn&#8217;t call it CEN.</p>
<p>So, instead of it being a new insight, isn&#8217;t it just a new label? And I dont mean to belittle your work, as i said I read your book with great interest!</p>
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		By: thanks for giving the emotionally neglected words		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thanks for giving the emotionally neglected words]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 18:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m scared of trying therapy because my emotional neglect past is dressed as a child having strict parents. I don&#039;t want to talk to a stranger first off, and I&#039;m interested in finding someone who has ways I&#039;m familiar and onboard with. That&#039;s why, I&#039;m going to try therapy for the very first time with my one of my friends as my aide. Parents: Koreans, educated... look like they&#039;ve supported me always. Really, they&#039;re metaphorically, selectively deaf, to my feelings, especially those of increasing workload overwhelm and need of empathy from them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m scared of trying therapy because my emotional neglect past is dressed as a child having strict parents. I don&#8217;t want to talk to a stranger first off, and I&#8217;m interested in finding someone who has ways I&#8217;m familiar and onboard with. That&#8217;s why, I&#8217;m going to try therapy for the very first time with my one of my friends as my aide. Parents: Koreans, educated&#8230; look like they&#8217;ve supported me always. Really, they&#8217;re metaphorically, selectively deaf, to my feelings, especially those of increasing workload overwhelm and need of empathy from them.</p>
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		By: Mclaire		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mclaire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2016 13:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a book by Daniel Shaw, Traumatic Narcissism: Relationships of Subjugation, that describes both emotional neglect and emotional abuse in the language of psychoanalytical psychotherapy. I read it before reading Webb, and it was quite revealing. I think both books are valuable read together, though Shaw&#039;s book may only appeal to psychotherapists (I&#039;m not one) while Webb&#039;s book can appeal to both therapists and clients.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a book by Daniel Shaw, Traumatic Narcissism: Relationships of Subjugation, that describes both emotional neglect and emotional abuse in the language of psychoanalytical psychotherapy. I read it before reading Webb, and it was quite revealing. I think both books are valuable read together, though Shaw&#8217;s book may only appeal to psychotherapists (I&#8217;m not one) while Webb&#8217;s book can appeal to both therapists and clients.</p>
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		By: tigre		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tigre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2015 04:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The only therapist I&#039;ve ever really spent quality time with pointed this out to me, that not having guidance or emotional support as a child can be very damaging. This was ten years ago or so, and I&#039;m not sure I was ready to understand or accept the concept then. At the time, I still felt very guilty for any criticism of my childhood, because I wasn&#039;t overtly abused or abandoned, as my parents were. I think I&#039;m finally getting it now. I don&#039;t have to compete with my parents over who had the worse childhood (something my mom is apt to do with me) in order to acknowledge that I missed out on the kind of emotional connectedness that many other kids get.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only therapist I&#8217;ve ever really spent quality time with pointed this out to me, that not having guidance or emotional support as a child can be very damaging. This was ten years ago or so, and I&#8217;m not sure I was ready to understand or accept the concept then. At the time, I still felt very guilty for any criticism of my childhood, because I wasn&#8217;t overtly abused or abandoned, as my parents were. I think I&#8217;m finally getting it now. I don&#8217;t have to compete with my parents over who had the worse childhood (something my mom is apt to do with me) in order to acknowledge that I missed out on the kind of emotional connectedness that many other kids get.</p>
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		By: Jonice Webb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonice Webb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://drjonicewebb.com/why-dont-therapists-talk-more-about-emotional-neglect/comment-page-1/#comment-5168&quot;&gt;Silla&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Silla, your questions are all excellent. I think that the feeling of emptiness can be similar between CEN and borderline, but the cause is somewhat different. It&#039;s the difference between saying to a child, &quot;Your feeling is wrong,&quot; and simply not noticing or responding to the child&#039;s emotion at all. It gets a bit complicated, because parents who do the former typically also do the latter. So the concept of CEN does apply to personality disorder, but there are vast quantities of people who didn&#039;t get the former. Their emotional needs weren&#039;t actively invalidated; they were simply ignored. These are the people who remember a &quot;happy&quot; childhood (because we don&#039;t remember a parent&#039;s failure to act), but who are struggling. These are the people my book is about because they fall between the cracks. I hope this answers your question! All the best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://drjonicewebb.com/why-dont-therapists-talk-more-about-emotional-neglect/comment-page-1/#comment-5168">Silla</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Silla, your questions are all excellent. I think that the feeling of emptiness can be similar between CEN and borderline, but the cause is somewhat different. It&#8217;s the difference between saying to a child, &#8220;Your feeling is wrong,&#8221; and simply not noticing or responding to the child&#8217;s emotion at all. It gets a bit complicated, because parents who do the former typically also do the latter. So the concept of CEN does apply to personality disorder, but there are vast quantities of people who didn&#8217;t get the former. Their emotional needs weren&#8217;t actively invalidated; they were simply ignored. These are the people who remember a &#8220;happy&#8221; childhood (because we don&#8217;t remember a parent&#8217;s failure to act), but who are struggling. These are the people my book is about because they fall between the cracks. I hope this answers your question! All the best.</p>
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		By: Silla		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the concept of Childhood Emotional Neglect is the same as the concept of invalidation that often occurs in childhood? I understand that DBT has as one of its assumptions of the etiology of borderline personality disorder, that of the experience of having been invalidated during childhood. One of the characteristic symptoms of BPD is also the experience of &#039;emptiness&#039; that you have written about and posit results from CEN. It seems to me that the concepts are much the same (of course, I could be wrong). In which case, there are many therapists (such as DBT therapists and I also understand addressing alexithymia is common in some of the mindfulness approaches) that incorporate the notion of CEN into their case conceptualization and treatment of patients.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the concept of Childhood Emotional Neglect is the same as the concept of invalidation that often occurs in childhood? I understand that DBT has as one of its assumptions of the etiology of borderline personality disorder, that of the experience of having been invalidated during childhood. One of the characteristic symptoms of BPD is also the experience of &#8217;emptiness&#8217; that you have written about and posit results from CEN. It seems to me that the concepts are much the same (of course, I could be wrong). In which case, there are many therapists (such as DBT therapists and I also understand addressing alexithymia is common in some of the mindfulness approaches) that incorporate the notion of CEN into their case conceptualization and treatment of patients.</p>
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		By: Gina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 07:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://drjonicewebb.com/why-dont-therapists-talk-more-about-emotional-neglect/comment-page-1/#comment-5165&quot;&gt;David W. Peace&lt;/a&gt;.

Agree. It seems to me that this is the same in all families in the world. All parents need professional help, the only question is whether there are trained professionals who will help them and whether parents recognize that they need help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://drjonicewebb.com/why-dont-therapists-talk-more-about-emotional-neglect/comment-page-1/#comment-5165">David W. Peace</a>.</p>
<p>Agree. It seems to me that this is the same in all families in the world. All parents need professional help, the only question is whether there are trained professionals who will help them and whether parents recognize that they need help.</p>
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		By: vineeta patnaik		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vineeta patnaik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[its a great thing that you have brought out so clearly and explicitly , I have been working on this with my students and have observed a number of them experience delinquency as they have missed out on age appropriate emotional needs as I call it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its a great thing that you have brought out so clearly and explicitly , I have been working on this with my students and have observed a number of them experience delinquency as they have missed out on age appropriate emotional needs as I call it.</p>
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		By: David W. Peace		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David W. Peace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2014 16:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A huge pattern I have seen since working with children and families is the disconnect, each family member going through the day at random.  It&#039;s like seeing a number of vibration circles in the room, without any of the circles sharing.  This is often why I put objectives for mutual goals on a treatment plan (with the client&#039;s agreement of course).  The same patterns of behavior will continue until there is a flow of emotional recognition and connection happening.  I look forward to getting the book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A huge pattern I have seen since working with children and families is the disconnect, each family member going through the day at random.  It&#8217;s like seeing a number of vibration circles in the room, without any of the circles sharing.  This is often why I put objectives for mutual goals on a treatment plan (with the client&#8217;s agreement of course).  The same patterns of behavior will continue until there is a flow of emotional recognition and connection happening.  I look forward to getting the book.</p>
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